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Re: empty cargo container or no "bang" when ramming it

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richard.a.p.smith wrote:The other thing I wondered was ore processor. If it's minerals and that oxp decides to turn it into gold or something but.....
No, ore processor will do only stuff with splinters. Never with other cargo.

One other that contains cargo is Vector. But that is all cargo that is released by special ships. Only one pod type can be normally generated for players by normal ships. But that pod has a funny name and it generates messages by script, so it will not be the pod giving above problems.

@ Svengali: I did notice some bugs by some of the pods. Some have the key 'cargo_carried' cargo is defined for scripted pods. But, that does not work for scripted pods. When scooping them, nothing is added to the hold. They need a setCargo() command in the script or a manifest manipulation on scooping. Just be aware that when using setCargo() to actually define the pod as cargo, the pod will stay in the hold and can be ejected and re-scooped, resulting in triggering the scoop handler again.

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Eric Walch wrote:No, ore processor will do only stuff with splinters. Never with other cargo.
Yes, I thought that was probably the case but it was the "change" to which Thargoid referred that came to mind - if UPS-courier puts out a pod that partly matches what ore processor is expecting.

The other bit of the post that I forgot to include was matching that list against what I have had recently when I didn't have the problem . . .

yes - ionics, ore processor, asteroid storm, snoopers, tori, talkative compass, basic debug, bgs, cabal common library, blackjack's bullion, illegal goods tweak
no - random hits, imp courier, tianve, escort contracts, famous planets, shady black monks, galactic navy, status quo q-bomb, hired guns, ups courier, system redux, vector, rescue stations, boy racers
not sure but can look up - behemoth

So those csab and I had installed with the problem and I had not installed without the problem are

random hits, galactic navy, ups-courier, possibly behemoth

If it's vanilla bug then surely it should be more widely reported, no?

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This could be a red herring of sorts.
The earliest versions of Thargoid's Docklights OXP caused all kinds of crazy ghost ships and ghost cargo containers.
I'm not saying that particular OXP is to blame, but that other OXPs may trigger bugs that are deep in Oolite itself.

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Eric Walch wrote:@ Svengali: I did notice some bugs by some of the pods. Some have the key 'cargo_carried' cargo is defined for scripted pods. But, that does not work for scripted pods. When scooping them, nothing is added to the hold. They need a setCargo() command in the script or a manifest manipulation on scooping. Just be aware that when using setCargo() to actually define the pod as cargo, the pod will stay in the hold and can be ejected and re-scooped, resulting in triggering the scoop handler again.
Thanks Eric, will change it .-)

I'm already in the process to clean up some bloat in my OXPs and it might take some time to catch all the changes under the hood in v1.76.x.

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Switeck wrote:This could be a red herring of sorts.
The earliest versions of Thargoid's Docklights OXP caused all kinds of crazy ghost ships and ghost cargo containers.
I'm not saying that particular OXP is to blame, but that other OXPs may trigger bugs that are deep in Oolite itself.
I would be surprised if it did in this case, given he hasn't got it installed :? It causes weird effects, but even it isn't quite that powerful ;)

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richard.a.p.smith wrote:If it's vanilla bug then surely it should be more widely reported, no?
Not necessarily, if it is super rare. Like maybe all kinds of things have to happen at the same time for the bug to surface. I don't remember experiencing it ever before and I played plenty of hours of Oolite. :)

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csab wrote:
richard.a.p.smith wrote:If it's vanilla bug then surely it should be more widely reported, no?
Not necessarily, if it is super rare. Like maybe all kinds of things have to happen at the same time for the bug to surface. I don't remember experiencing it ever before and I played plenty of hours of Oolite. :)
If you use Okti's Long Range Scanner you will find them in about one system in five. Or at least that is what I find. They always are moving quite fast. I managed to get an entity dump of one and posted it, but it seems there was no useful information in it.
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Fatleaf wrote:
csab wrote:
richard.a.p.smith wrote:If it's vanilla bug then surely it should be more widely reported, no?
Not necessarily, if it is super rare. Like maybe all kinds of things have to happen at the same time for the bug to surface. I don't remember experiencing it ever before and I played plenty of hours of Oolite. :)
If you use Okti's Long Range Scanner you will find them in about one system in five. Or at least that is what I find. They always are moving quite fast. I managed to get an entity dump of one and posted it, but it seems there was no useful information in it.
I see the point about lots of things conspiring to create a rare event but I got it very very often when it was happening so I don't think that's it. It's something that's supposed to happen frequently or it's something I do frequently that you don't, csab. The frequency is something like Fatleaf's comment from memory but they are not always moving fast, though. It was certainly not an unusual situation when I saw the problem, just collecting canisters as normal from the traders pirates. Actually, given the situation that it's a rather vague bug I should specify that I don't play as a pirate, ever, there's enough trouble there without annoying every single ship and the police, so if there is anything differentiating "clean" ships from "offender" or "fugitive" then it's worth noting. Being a very squeaky clean pilot I even go back to the last save if I accidentally shoot someone - yes, that's cheating but so is re-loading a saved commander when those five Thargoids kill you! Rich

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Fatleaf wrote:If you use Okti's Long Range Scanner you will find them in about one system in five. Or at least that is what I find. They always are moving quite fast. I managed to get an entity dump of one and posted it, but it seems there was no useful information in it.
While doing some testing to find any running themes to this issue I found that on every empty cargo pod it was flashing red with the Long Range Scanner (LRS). The list in the oxp was showing a bounty of 1 credit. Yet on other pods that was being showed as having 1 credit bounty didn't flash as offenders using the LRS. Yet with all of them the Scanner Targeting Enhancement and also bounty scanner just displayed them all as normal cargo pods without an offender rating.

So the question I have is: Could it be something to do with being assigned some form of hidden bounty or the like?
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Vector.oxp uses cargo pods with red flasers on them. Could you target them, and than obain an entity dump by pressing shift-H?

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Eric Walch wrote:Vector.oxp uses cargo pods with red flasers on them. Could you target them, and than obain an entity dump by pressing shift-H?
I would if I had Vectors oxp installed. Is there any passing commander who can accommodate? Next time I cruise the lanes I will look out for one and get a dump.
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