Brexit vote, the zombie apocalypse and other fallout.

Off topic discussion zone.

Moderators: another_commander, winston, Cody

Post Reply

Should the UK leave the EU?

Yes
10
29%
No
21
60%
Don't know
1
3%
Don't care
0
No votes
Nothing to do with me, mate!
3
9%
 
Total votes: 35

User avatar
Smivs
Retired Assassin
Retired Assassin
Posts: 8408
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:31 am
Location: Disunited Kingdom
Contact:

Brexit vote, the zombie apocalypse and other fallout.

Post by Smivs »

Well, the time to decide approaches and the statistics (ie lies), bias, bigotry, ignorance and obfuscation are picking up pace. What do you good Citizens of the Ooniverse think?
Just to get the ball rolling, I intend to vote 'Remain in' (ie to stay in Europe). Why? Simple really.
While the EU is clearly imperfect in all sorts of ways, membership gives the UK an influence and benefits that would not be possible as a stand-alone country. Nobody can really predict the consequences of leaving, but the transition out would obviously involve many years and millions of pounds just to re-negotiate trade deals with both Europe and the rest of the World. The impact on areas such as security is not clear at all other than we know what we would lose in terms of international policing etc.
Immigration would not be impacted in any meaningful way - we already have full control over our borders and any deal with the EU post Brexit would involve agreeing to 'Free Movement' principles. We would not gain any benefit in terms of more freedom where products, goods and services are concerned as we sell most of our output to Europe, so these things would still have to comply with EU legislation.
But my main reason for thinking we should stay in is the protection the EU offers us against our own Government. We currently enjoy perhaps the best Employment, Health and Safety and Human Rights laws anywhere in thee World, and this would be seriously jeopardised if we left the EU.
Last edited by Smivs on Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:14 am, edited 2 times in total.
Commander Smivs, the friendliest Gourd this side of Riedquat.

User avatar
Cody
Sharp Shooter Spam Assassin
Sharp Shooter Spam Assassin
Posts: 13823
Joined: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:31 pm
Location: Corke's Drift
Contact:

Re: EU referendum

Post by Cody »

I had considered starting such a thread, but contented myself with a comment in the QotW thread. It's an emotive subject, and I suspect the result will be close - but I'll be voting for leaving. I expect I'll be in the minority here though. I was travelling abroad back in '75 so was unable to vote in the referendum on the Common Market (as it was sold to us), but it would've made no difference. I'd best stop there, I think.

User avatar
Smivs
Retired Assassin
Retired Assassin
Posts: 8408
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:31 am
Location: Disunited Kingdom
Contact:

Re: EU referendum

Post by Smivs »

Cody wrote:I was travelling abroad back in '75 so was unable to vote in the referendum on the Common Market (as it was sold to us)...
I was here and did vote (yes), but as you imply the Common Market then and the EU today are very different beasts indeed. While intending to vote Yes this time round as well I do share many concerns about the direction Europe could go. I personally do not favour closer political union - a United States of Europe is not something I would like to see - and also feel that Defence and Foreign Policy should remain the responsibility of the member states. The Euro is also a non-starter for me, and the problems of open borders (Schengen) are all to obvious at the moment. Fortunately, as more countries join the EU the greater diversity of views and cultures should ensure that this kind of homogenisation will not happen.
Commander Smivs, the friendliest Gourd this side of Riedquat.

User avatar
Cody
Sharp Shooter Spam Assassin
Sharp Shooter Spam Assassin
Posts: 13823
Joined: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:31 pm
Location: Corke's Drift
Contact:

Re: EU referendum

Post by Cody »

I guess Brexit would lead to Scotland leaving the UK, which may influence some voters - but I figure Scotland will leave the UK sooner or later anyway.

User avatar
Cody
Sharp Shooter Spam Assassin
Sharp Shooter Spam Assassin
Posts: 13823
Joined: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:31 pm
Location: Corke's Drift
Contact:

Re: EU referendum

Post by Cody »

Unsurprisingly, this poll has a pretty low turnout!

User avatar
Smivs
Retired Assassin
Retired Assassin
Posts: 8408
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:31 am
Location: Disunited Kingdom
Contact:

Re: EU referendum

Post by Smivs »

<chuckles> Yeah, I wonder if the real thing will be so ignored?
Commander Smivs, the friendliest Gourd this side of Riedquat.

User avatar
Cody
Sharp Shooter Spam Assassin
Sharp Shooter Spam Assassin
Posts: 13823
Joined: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:31 pm
Location: Corke's Drift
Contact:

Re: EU referendum

Post by Cody »

I'd expect the usual 60-odd percent turnout - but which side would benefit from a low turnout?

Anonymissimus
---- E L I T E ----
---- E L I T E ----
Posts: 299
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:03 pm

Re: EU referendum

Post by Anonymissimus »

London has a lot of European centrals of international companies, you know. All of these would move away, taking the jobs and economical power with them. They are already doing it just because of the possible Brexit.
Cody wrote:I guess Brexit would lead to Scotland leaving the UK, which may influence some voters - but I figure Scotland will leave the UK sooner or later anyway.
That is the Scoxit then ? :P There's no reason to assume they will without Brexit.

I'm not allowed to vote however.
warning sound if a missile is inbound: Missile warning

Astrobe
---- E L I T E ----
---- E L I T E ----
Posts: 602
Joined: Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:26 pm

Re: EU referendum

Post by Astrobe »

I'd say yes for most of the reasons this guy gave 2 years ago:

https://translate.google.fr/translate?h ... _3232.html

I hope the automatic translation doesn't alter the meaning too much.

That's selfish reasons though. I also believe it's delusional for the UK to think it would be better out of the EU. That's why the intent of the article is to encourage UK to be less selfish, invest itself more in the EU, and stop cheating on us with the US. Seriously guys, leave the Five Eyes and join the EU.

User avatar
Cody
Sharp Shooter Spam Assassin
Sharp Shooter Spam Assassin
Posts: 13823
Joined: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:31 pm
Location: Corke's Drift
Contact:

Re: EU referendum

Post by Cody »

A friend, who I've known for twenty-five years, is vehemently pro-Brexit - too many immigrants etc.
His parents were Italian - poor economic migrants who fled post-war Italy. It's a strange old world.

User avatar
ffutures
---- E L I T E ----
---- E L I T E ----
Posts: 1397
Joined: Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:34 pm
Location: London, UK
Contact:

Re: EU referendum

Post by ffutures »

Cody wrote:A friend, who I've known for twenty-five years, is vehemently pro-Brexit - too many immigrants etc.
His parents were Italian - poor economic migrants who fled post-war Italy. It's a strange old world.
Everyone in my family is descended from 19th and early 20th century refugees who were fleeing the Tsar and other problems. I hear this a lot from some of them...

I've voted for staying, because while I think the economic side of it all is a bit iffy, we haven't actually been at war with Germany or France since the late 1940s, which I think may not be unrelated. Also because I rather like being free to travel over a fairly large area without having to go through endless customs and immigration formalities, sell stuff in Europe without bothering to fill in customs declarations, etc. etc.

User avatar
Wildeblood
---- E L I T E ----
---- E L I T E ----
Posts: 2161
Joined: Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:07 am
Location: Western Australia
Contact:

Re: EU referendum

Post by Wildeblood »

Astrobe wrote:Seriously guys, leave the Five Eyes and join the EU.
That. It's farcical to see pommies carrying on about "leaving" something they've never participated in anyway. OTOH, sabotaging the euro by insisting on keeping the pound should have been the point where the Europeans threw you out. But they didn't. Its hard to respect people so lacking in any self-respect.

Here's my three-point prescription to save your civilization:-

Forcibly expropriate the wealth of the 1%ers. If the rich resist, kill them.

Invite HM QEII to abdicate. Invite her imbecile son to do the same. Make it plain to King William he's only probationary.

Purge the institutions of Fabians. Prioritize purging the BBC, CoE & universities.

As for you continental types, why the hell aren't Merkel and Hollande hanging from light poles, Mussolini-style? What's wrong with you people?

Anonymissimus
---- E L I T E ----
---- E L I T E ----
Posts: 299
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:03 pm

Re: EU referendum

Post by Anonymissimus »

I'd say you must be trolling, if you didn't seem to be a respected forum member.
Wildeblood wrote:OTOH, sabotaging the euro by insisting on keeping the pound should have been the point where the Europeans threw you out.
There is a large number of EU members not participating in the Euro, some of them by referendum, e.g. Denmark. Given the economical development in Greece and some other problematic Euro states, it's certainly a mistake that these have become Euro group members at all.
Australia has its own business, you are part of the Five Eyes too.
warning sound if a missile is inbound: Missile warning

User avatar
Smivs
Retired Assassin
Retired Assassin
Posts: 8408
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:31 am
Location: Disunited Kingdom
Contact:

Re: EU referendum

Post by Smivs »

Anonymissimus wrote:I'd say you must be trolling, if you didn't seem to be a respected forum member.
<Chuckles>
Commander Smivs, the friendliest Gourd this side of Riedquat.

User avatar
Cody
Sharp Shooter Spam Assassin
Sharp Shooter Spam Assassin
Posts: 13823
Joined: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:31 pm
Location: Corke's Drift
Contact:

Re: EU referendum

Post by Cody »

Who dealt this mess, anyway? Yeah, it's an old card player's term
But sometimes you can use the old switcheroo and it can be applied to frontal politics
What I mean is... who was it that set up a system, supposedly democratic system
Where you end up always voting for the lesser of two evils?
I mean, was George Washington the lesser of two evils? Sometimes I wonder
You got some guy that says "For God's sake, we've got to stop having violence in this country!"
While he's spending 16,000 dollars a second... snuffin' gooks!

Post Reply