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:!: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oolite_%28computer_game%29


Not notable enough, not enough reviews...


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Well, is it notable? Are there any reviews other than the Linux Format one mentioned on the AfD discussion?

(I do find it amusing that things like this get AfDed when there are moderately obscure TV series with a page for every episode.)

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There was at least one review in a 'real' mag, and it was discussed in outworld, but it has been deleted from the archives, anyone remember?


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So how can we, the community help? <non techie question>

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isn't it notable that the # of downloads is above several hundred thousand, as one can see @ Berlios?


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I guess it's up to the video game project to decide just how many reviews or references any game, commercial or otherwise, needs before it can be considered notable. Plenty of successful indie games with a big following may have lots of references over the web but few mentions in the print media. A quick look at the list of deletions already agreed shows some pretty inconsistent decisions (i.e. a game may notable if it has a commercial release, even though few meaningful references are to be found anywhere).

Oolite's biggest claim to notability is that it's the probably the only cross-platform Elite clone that's legally available (though we might want to double check with Frontier's lawyers on that one). Other space trading derivatives are out there but only Oolite features the legendary ships and locations from the original game.

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I wrote a review a while ago for an online gaming mag, here:

http://www.hookedgamers.com/articles/review/214/oolite

And I've also mentioned it once or twice in my blog, here:

http://www.hookedgamers.com/blogs/Wolfwood/

In fact, the title image is from Oolite...

If it would help, I could perhaps write another article - a revisited review, if you please - based on the new features since the original article. At least the new fabulous screenshots that people have taken would be great material for one...


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I've just typed "Oolite +review" into Google.co.uk, and that search returned 49,100 articles.
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Well, I made a comment to the talk page, basically outlining that as long as the IP is used in a non-profit way without besmirching the good name of Mssr Braben et al then there should be no problem, which is basically what the GNU license is all about.

I also pointed out that the Asteroids and PacMan entries have sections outlining clones of the games - in fact Pacman actually has a whole page devoted to clones of the original game.

Someone should definitely quote the amount of downloads to see if that qualifies the Oolite entry as "noteworthy".

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well they are fast becomming the encyclopedia that was...
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that was my last usage of Wikipedia... ever... i hope knol will do better...

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Oolite got a four-star "Editor's Choice" review in Macworld in January 2007, here, which seems pretty notable to me. The award is now mentioned on the wikipedia page.

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Quick! Get that bell guy and/or that other one to say something about oolite! Will that help? How about black mail/bribe? Wait, Better idea; Master, should we put those wikipedia video game people into retirement?


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Most definitely! But, we are up against the gravest danger of all with those wikipedia editors:

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Looks like the macworld article did it! :D

People are voting to keep it. :D


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